Is sagging gay or something ?

[Fabik]

Okays, I am *not* gay (altough I don't have any reason to gripe against thoe who are). It seems a lot of people here are, is sagging gay or something ? I was sure that gays were wearing tight slim pants. At least the only guy I know in real life who is gay does. Here I'm pretty sure I've seen a lot people sagging who aren't gay, or else there would be really a *lot* of gays arround.

As for myself I'm usually only attracted by women, but when I see a guy sagging usually it gives me that "wow man" sentation. Altough I'm not attracted at all by guys dressed with "normal" pants, and not really attracted by nacked mens either. Only sagging, it's really weird. Am I abnormal or ? Please don't laught at me (altough I'm confident you guys won't).

[deep.sagger]

Your notion of gays in tight pants is highly contrived. It's the just the same as heterosexuals; there as as many kinds as homosexuals.

And as to sagging being gay... tell that to thoopurr or DylanNJSagger.

[BigMike513]

Fabik, gays come in every shape, size, and interest under the sun. If you enjoy checking out a guy who sags, but don't think you're gay, so what? You just happen to enjoy looking, that's all. I can admire a well-turned leg on a woman, but I'm as gay as it gets. And my roommate (straight) has a shoe collection that many of us would envy!
As long as you are comfortable with who and what you are, enjoy life and looking! And welcome to our little section of the web.

[saggersteve]

Fabik, let me expand a little on BigMike's thoughts.

I don't know of any guy, straight or gay, who doesn't look to see what others are wearing and how they wear it. Ususally, it's an effort to keep up with a fashion thing, and all guys will try to emulate what they think is cool in other guys appearance. The girls do the same thing - often to an extreme. All want to follow trends or a particular style, but with their own unique "something" to set them a little bit apart from the rest.

You like the sagger look? Fine - this doesn't make you straight, bi or gay. The same with tighter clothing, jeans, cargo pants or whatever. If you think the look is cool on other guys, then it's natural that you would want to look cool in your own mind in the same basic fashion.

[wetwill]

Okays, I am *not* gay (altough I don't have any reason to gripe against thoe who are). It seems a lot of people here are, is sagging gay or something ? I was sure that gays were wearing tight slim pants. At least the only guy I know in real life who is gay does. Here I'm pretty sure I've seen a lot people sagging who aren't gay, or else there would be really a *lot* of gays arround.

As for myself I'm usually only attracted by women, but when I see a guy sagging usually it gives me that "wow man" sentation. Altough I'm not attracted at all by guys dressed with "normal" pants, and not really attracted by nacked mens either. Only sagging, it's really weird. Am I abnormal or ? Please don't laught at me (altough I'm confident you guys won't).

I'm gay. People who are gay come in all shapes and sizes. For every gay 'queen' there's someone who seems 'normal' aside from the fact that they like guys. Welcome to the world of stereotypes us fags face every day.

I don't think most saggers are gay, nor do I think there's anything wrong a straight guy looking at / admiring another guy's sag. As someone else said, guys check other guys all the time to keep up with fashion. Straight guys generally have no reason to talk and share pictures about sagging such that they'd be able to keep enough traffic on a forum about it. The reason why I think there's so many gays here is we "really like" other guy's sags, and looking at pictures is like looking at porn.

Hope that helps.

[wetwill]

I should also mention that (as far as I know) everyone's welcome here, gay or straight. If we can help you sag, it'd be our pleasure. Just don't be surprised that there's a lot of gay guys here.

[playerboi16]

Nicely put wetwill

[Fabik]

Okay I guess look have nothing to do with sexual orientation, and that many stereotypes arround gays are wrong, altough I was really surprised that so many people here are gays. I don't know a thing about gays anyway (and I don't really want to know too much). The only guy IRL who I know his gay, I've know him for 3 years without suspecting anything about that. And it's common to have a guy and we say "oh he looks so gay", but in fact he has a girlfriend.

Straight guys generally have no reason to talk and share pictures about sagging such that they'd be able to keep enough traffic on a forum about it.
Oh yeah I'd just thing it would be cool to talk with experienced saggers freely about it, because sagging is like taboo here, a lot of people practice it but nobody talk about it. Altough I'm not TOO interested with pics, only a little.

The reason why I think there's so many gays here is we "really like" other guy's sags, and looking at pictures is like looking at porn.
Are you serious or just trying to impress me ? I think sagging looks cool but I don't see it have that much to do with sex, it's just a way to wear pants.

[wetwill]

Are you serious or just trying to impress me ?
I'm being serious. Some people find sagging a turn on. Look at these threads:

http://saggerworld.com/community/showthread.php?t=103
http://saggerworld.com/community/showthread.php?t=809
http://saggerworld.com/community/showthread.php?t=774

And the following is an example of of comments posted to people's photos:


This is my favorite! exactly the king of 'sag' which makes me crazy lol , just bellow the butt .... I want you :P !!!

Super sexy pics man, what a beautiful ass

ooo if I was at that mall with you.. I would sagg also with you.. and ur sagg is really hot! just got turned on! wow !!! that's how low I sagg

Damn dude, they are more than great !! ;D EXTREME hot !! ;P


I think sagging looks cool but I don't see it have that much to do with sex, it's just a way to wear pants.
It generally deals with looking at guy's butts, and generally gay guys like looking at other guys butts ANYWAYS. Think cleavage for guys.

Add onto that, just Google "Fetish". Here's some links to get you started:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_fetish

A fetish may seem completely bizarre to an outside observer, as you said, "it's just a way to wear pants", but can really be a turn on. Other people get turned on by shoes. I know there's some guys here that are turned on by skater shoes.

I'm not trying to scare you away, just be warned that a lot of people around here are like the above.

[Fabik]

Okay don't worry too much I'm also a little like that (else why would I be there?). I just trought about something, gays guys probably have no problem saying staight things most straight guys would be embarassed talk about. I might be wrong, but it looks like it's the case, and probably why there is so few staight guys here.

Like I said in my first post I find sagging sexy. But I don't think it's like porn, you show off your ass, but it's still covered (please don't post me counter-examples if there is any thanks). It's more to show off it's nice round shape than the ass itself. By the way as much as I love watching girl's or sagger's ass, I couldn't be less interested at all in other type of asses.

About fetishism I guess I'm just almost completely out of it. I really can't imagine anyone being turned on by shoes (even if I find skater shoes cool) or underwear (without somebody wearing them). I've also seen other (staight) guys being turned on by whips, because that makes him immagining a whoman whiping him. Probably the stupider fantasm I've ever heard. Thanks god I'm not like that :p

[flameboard]

I'm gay. People who are gay come in all shapes and sizes. For every gay 'queen' there's someone who seems 'normal' aside from the fact that they like guys. Welcome to the world of stereotypes us fags face every day.

I totally agree! This is so true! God "wetwill" your a legend!! x

[flameboard]

Okay don't worry too much I'm also a little like that (else why would I be there?). I just trought about something, gays guys probably have no problem saying staight things most straight guys would be embarassed talk about. I might be wrong, but it looks like it's the case, and probably why there is so few staight guys here.

I do totally agree with that Fabik :D Yeah im gay and im proud to admit it and say that i am, im not scared to tell people and not afraid to talk about things that well, in my eyes are not embarrassing its just natural. Straight guys find it harder i believe because there scared to talk about it! As a example if a straight guy said to another guy that he liked what the guy was wearing that person would possibly think he was gay for looking at him, in my eyes that's just stupid because looking at another guy (like your doing, looking at the guys sagging but not the actual guy) doesn't make you gay but most people don't understand that. Think you might agree with me there "wetwill".

Hope you are well :D
J'espère que vous êtes bien :D
Ich hoffe, Sie sind gut :D

(im sure its German and French you speak in Switzerland lol)

[wetwill]

Okay don't worry too much I'm also a little like that (else why would I be there?). I just trought about something, gays guys probably have no problem saying staight things most straight guys would be embarassed talk about. I might be wrong, but it looks like it's the case, and probably why there is so few staight guys here.

Yeah. Social 'norms' seem to forbid a guy complimenting another straight guy, yet women do it all the time. I think this is moreso the case in North America. There's nothing wrong with a straight guy appreciating another guy's style in the "Wow I want to dress like that" way.

[BigMike513]

I completely agree, wetwill! There are way too many straight guys who interpret a compliment as being hit on, and the thought freaks them out. They just have to chill and take the compliment as just that, and nothing more (a lesson I try to teach my younger friends when it happens to them.)

[Fabik]

Well that make sense you gays are abnormal anyway so no fear to look abnormal. It's cool to be able to talk freely about things without worrying that someone could turn you off because of it. I'm just tired of guys making fun of me for various reasons. At first glance it looks that won't happen with you gays. The drawback is that you really are disgusting somtimes.

I don't think any social norm prevents straight guys to compliment eachother. After all if people are friends it's that they find echother cool. But you definitely won't talk freely about sex related things until you're really close friends. But even then you don't talk about *anything*, but it can get damn close. Yes, I've already seen straight guys complimenting another straight guy's sag (including me too), altough you have to laugh a little to proof you're not too serious about it.

[deep.sagger]

abnormal AND disgusting.
oh stop, you're making me blush.

[BigMike513]

I'm SO disappointed, deep.sagger! I thought you'd take Fabik to the woodshed and verbally rip him a new one. At least bitch-slap him! Ah, but you are doing what I advocate: taking his comments as compliments! Yes you are abnormal and disgusting; that's why we love you so much.

[Fabik]

Yeah don't mean to be offensive. I 100% agree that nobody is "normal", and even if some were, I'd be the last to be considered normal. But you have to admit that in all objectivity being gay isn't the "norm". If it was, hummanity would stop :p That don't mean they should be rejected or anything tough.

[flameboard]

Yeah don't mean to be offensive. I 100% agree that nobody is "normal", and even if some were, I'd be the last to be considered normal. But you have to admit that in all objectivity being gay isn't the "norm". If it was, hummanity would stop :p That don't mean they should be rejected or anything tough.

Ok well im not going to complain "much" as your said that you didnt mean to be offensive :)

BUT

"The drawback is that you really are disgusting somtimes." care to explain this????

I see straight guys as disgusting sometimes but i dont blatantly say it too them!!

AND

"Well that make sense you gays are abnormal anyway so no fear to look abnormal."

in my mind im not abnormal, i was born this way and well nothing is ever going to change that, so to me this is normal, the same as it is normal for all my other mates, either gay or straight!

AND

"But you have to admit that in all objectivity being gay isn't the "norm". If it was, hummanity would stop"

No it wouldnt, there are many ways to reproduce with out a male and female actually coming in to contact with each other so it really wouldnt be the end of the world.

Anyway im going to stop moaning now, its been a stressful day :S

[Fabik]

"The drawback is that you really are disgusting somtimes." care to explain this????

I see straight guys as disgusting sometimes but i dont blatantly say it too them!!
Well I saw a few topics that gives my that "eeek" sensation but I won't go into details because I don't want anyone to be offended. Of course a lot of straight guys can be "disgusting" too.
Okay if you really don't like the world "abnormal", I might as well have written "different than the great majority of people", it would mean exactly the same, maybe less likely to offend anyone. I guess a lot of things would make me "abnormal" as well, for example I'm left handed (most people aren't), I like math (most people don't), I can't stand on a boat without being sick (most people can), I've never been able to swim (most people enjoy that), and so on... The trurth is that nobody is 100% normal.

No it wouldnt, there are many ways to reproduce with out a male and female actually coming in to contact with each other so it really wouldnt be the end of the world.
You got a point, but that's how nature is, and human cloning is illegal right now. Artificial insemnation is possible but really not fun I guess.

[deep.sagger]

Fabik, I think you're confusing "normal" with "different."
It's all in the details, in regards on how we're all different. It just hinges on your definition of normal. In addition to that, the way you made that sound, it seems like a person can be "more normal" or "more abnormal," to use your term. Normalcy can't be decided on objectively, and nor can ones differences, including sexual orientation. You already mentioned this.

In reference to homosexuality not being a natural "norm," yes, I agree. However, I think us human are somewhat of an exception to the rule. In the sense that we have choice. We have the choice to procreate, and it's simply our preference on where we decide to make lasting relationships that differ among us. This kinda ties into my own definition of sexuality, in which being gay entails who you want to (figuratively, unless you're in Cali, of course) get married to. But sex is up in the air, as far as I'm concerned. I've had sex with women, and it was fun. However, I wouldn't ever have a relationship with them.

Sorry, I lost the point of what I was trying to say; SW deleted my previous post out of spite. But I hope you get what I mean: these hypothetical norms (they're just that, hypothetical), really don't exist as a uniform entity. Your traits that make you "abnormal," say, getting sick on boats, happens to a huge amount of people (myself included), every day. Then if you can consider a trait that you share with so many people as abnormal, is it really that? Do normal people never get sick on boats? Who knows?

It's the fun in deciphering the differences in each other that make up our individual personalities, and shape how we perceive ourselves in the fabric of this huge, vast world in which we live in. Our individuality shouldn't be objectified so readily; we have to recognize that none of use are normal, nor abnormal. You're you, and I'm I, to put it simply. And that's that, I think.

Whoo, rambled on. Not sure if the above made sense, LOL.

[flameboard]

Made perfect sense to me :D and well i couldnt of ever put it as clear and good as that :D

[Fabik]

But sex is up in the air, as far as I'm concerned.
That's exactly what I were talking about with "disgusting", altough it may as well be me who follows too much social norms witout asking myself any questions.

[deep.sagger]

well, take a sociology or media class, and question authority as you see fit.

[saggersteve]

"Disgusting" is in the eye of the beholder. The concept is purely subjective and, on any subject, can not be applied as affecting all. (I could ramble on, but, why bother? - lol)



That's exactly what I were talking about with "disgusting", altough it may as well be me who follows too much social norms witout asking myself any questions.

[deep.sagger]

I can empathize. It does get rather tiresome.

[alexsagger]

Okays, I am *not* gay (altough I don't have any reason to gripe against thoe who are). It seems a lot of people here are, is sagging gay or something ? I was sure that gays were wearing tight slim pants. At least the only guy I know in real life who is gay does. Here I'm pretty sure I've seen a lot people sagging who aren't gay, or else there would be really a *lot* of gays arround.

As for myself I'm usually only attracted by women, but when I see a guy sagging usually it gives me that "wow man" sentation. Altough I'm not attracted at all by guys dressed with "normal" pants, and not really attracted by nacked mens either. Only sagging, it's really weird. Am I abnormal or ? Please don't laught at me (altough I'm confident you guys won't).


In your case and why not in my case I think is a fetish thing looking other guys sagging.
I always sag and I look other guys sagging to compare the sag or to see what pants are wearing to buy them if they look fine.

[jace]

Fabik, I think you're confusing "normal" with "different."
It's all in the details, in regards on how we're all different. It just hinges on your definition of normal. In addition to that, the way you made that sound, it seems like a person can be "more normal" or "more abnormal," to use your term. Normalcy can't be decided on objectively, and nor can ones differences, including sexual orientation. You already mentioned this.

In reference to homosexuality not being a natural "norm," yes, I agree. However, I think us human are somewhat of an exception to the rule. In the sense that we have choice. We have the choice to procreate, and it's simply our preference on where we decide to make lasting relationships that differ among us. This kinda ties into my own definition of sexuality, in which being gay entails who you want to (figuratively, unless you're in Cali, of course) get married to. But sex is up in the air, as far as I'm concerned. I've had sex with women, and it was fun. However, I wouldn't ever have a relationship with them.

Sorry, I lost the point of what I was trying to say; SW deleted my previous post out of spite. But I hope you get what I mean: these hypothetical norms (they're just that, hypothetical), really don't exist as a uniform entity. Your traits that make you "abnormal," say, getting sick on boats, happens to a huge amount of people (myself included), every day. Then if you can consider a trait that you share with so many people as abnormal, is it really that? Do normal people never get sick on boats? Who knows?

It's the fun in deciphering the differences in each other that make up our individual personalities, and shape how we perceive ourselves in the fabric of this huge, vast world in which we live in. Our individuality shouldn't be objectified so readily; we have to recognize that none of use are normal, nor abnormal. You're you, and I'm I, to put it simply. And that's that, I think.

Whoo, rambled on. Not sure if the above made sense, LOL.

Geesh, I think we all deserve a diploma from deep.sagger U after reading... Maybe the next course could be all about sagging with some visuals????

[Fabik]

Oh yes ! Great idea jace !

[saggersteve]

Geesh, I think we all deserve a diploma from deep.sagger U after reading... Maybe the next course could be all about sagging with some visuals????

"Deep" made a great statement, to which i would like to expand on - or add - a couple of thoughts.

"Normal" and "different" are in the eye of the beholder. Too often we tend to condemn those who, based on our own backgrounds or "beliefs," are "different" (to us). We never stop to think that, in fact, we may be the ones who are really "different." If everyone were the same this would sure be a boring-ass place.

Homosexuality, as a trait, is the norm to those who's natural tendencies produce that trait. To the "gay" person, surely it's the "straights" who are different.

It's all in the eye of the beholder, and whether a guy sags or not (getting back to the original question) is not indigitive of . . . anything - except that it's a person's chosen fashion style.

Okay, i've bored u enuf again - lol

[Dillon]

Question - is seeing some dude's boxers considered gay?


One side could say "dude, it's underwear... that's gay if you want to see that stuff"

The other side could say "It's just clothes! It's like seeing a shirt, pants, sox"

[flameboard]

question - is seeing some dude's boxers considered gay?


One side could say "dude, it's underwear... That's gay if you want to see that stuff"

the other side could say "it's just clothes! It's like seeing a shirt, pants, sox"

exactly :d

[Ynni]

Besides, a lot of clothes stores have underwear under accessories. Accessories are meant to be seen, are they not? :D

[flameboard]

Besides, a lot of clothes stores have underwear under accessories. Accessories are meant to be seen, are they not? :D

WOW ive never thought of it like that but so true they are :D
That is such a good point !!

[Dillon]

Socks are accessories too, are they not? Yet they're still visible lol

[saggersteve]

sagging is like "layered clothing." been researchin ol-skool dress a lil - back in the day guys wore boxers or whatever, undershirt, shirt, tie, pants, suspenders, vest, suit coat (summer or winter) and an overcoat outdoors in the winter. ya saw the shirt under the suitcoat and vest, and if really hot they would loosen the tie and unbutton the top button or two of the shirt. This exposed the undershirt - and the undershirt was UNDERWEAR!! boxers or wotevr are underwear. so-o-o-o, wot's the difference? mabbe the answer 4 u that get hassled about it is to do boxers, fully covered by, say, bb shorts and show them? ur not showin any underware to the bastards - ur just showin a style . . .

[BigMike513]

Just like we've come to expect from you, saggersteve. . .a calm, well-thought-out reply! I would add that sagging (showing 'style') in some people's minds crosses a line of modesty, which is determined partly by where you live.
And Dillon. . .seeing a guy's boxers, as we all know, isn't "gay." It's what your mind does with that sighting that COULD be interpreted as gay, and more applicable to the sighter than the sightee! Hope you're feeling better, btw. . .

[Fabik]

Haha when I see my old grandma's pics I tell myself it should have been horrible to live in the early 1900's and have to cloth like they did with like 4-5 layers.

BTW back then boys couldn't put pants, they had to put shorts all the time with big socks that goes up to the kneel and couldn't put pants before they were adults. Girls were forced to put dresses, never pants or anything. Everyone, childs and adults are always wearing hats even on the pics... so you can't really see their face well and it's really bad.

PS : About whether looking at guy's underwear is gay.... it's hard to say but I don't really care I like doing that and that's it. After all I have the right to have my opinion on how sexy boys are as much as I have the right to do it with girls. That don't mean I have to do any funny stuff with boys tough (nor even glirls btw).

[Irishsagger]

I think sagging is essentially a display. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straght. First, it allows you to expose your butt, women (and gay men, I guess) look for a small, muscular butt, better able to er, thrust. You normally don't realise this, btw, it's totally instinctive. Sagging also means you walk and stand with your legs further apart, a position known to people who study body language as the Crotch Display, universally used by men who feel confident, masculine, dominant or superior. Take a look at any wertsern, the protagonist stands gunslinger-style, ankles miles apart, sometimes with his thumbs hooked into his belt. Guess what his fingers are pointing at?
Anyway, maybe straight guys check out each other's sags because we're always on the look out of competittion. Sagging definately gets you noticed, which is probably what you want when you're sagging, and the same way that you smile when you feel happy, faking a smile can make you feel happy. When you feel confident, you use certain body language signals. When you sag, you use the same signals, which makes you feel confident.
Anyway, that's just my theory. I don't think sagging's gay, because straight men and gay men send out the same signals, only to different sexes. What do you all think? Am I onto something here? Or just talknig through my arse?

[summonedevil]

I think you're bang on with what you've said, Irishsagger. I don't mind who it is that's sagging cause I like the look on guys, but it doesn't always mean that I wanna hit on them or anything like that. I just appreciate guys that look good and 'display' themselves I guess.

[CosmoBoy]

Am I onto something here?

Yeah, that's deffo interesting, mate ! Never really thought about body language with sagging, but it is clear that sagging make you walk a very specific way, which of course always mean something. Wicked !

I know that I personnally like this "confident" look in oter guys sagging, even though a lot of saggers I know are not that much self confident once you get to know them better. Interesting too....