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40 minutes ago, Pokemon said:

Sorry people bringing attention to racism is a minor inconvenience to you, but you'll never experience racism so its really easy for you to say that. 

There's no way to protest that doesn't inconvenience at least one person

My point is that people get pissed off at those protesting. Do you really think they care what they are protesting at that point? 

"I just worked a 12 hour day but now I'm sat in traffic for 3 hours because there's a bunch of people stood in the middle of the road" at that point, doesn't matter what they are protesting about. I don't need to be brought attention that there is a racism, and black lives matter. "all lives matter" is a better saying, stop being specific, isn't that the problem in the first place. When a man is just a man and not a white man or a black man or a Muslim man. That's when the world becomes a better place. 

Do you agree that jumping onto planes and flying drones and all the other stupid things people do is a good way to protest for climate change too? 

Secondly though. What does it achieve? Apart from pissing people off. What actually comes from standing in a street saying black lives matter. Obviously they matter.. What's your point. Saying it out loud isn't going to do anything. 

Also. Racism is a two way thing. White people get it too, let's not kid ourselves.

I'm also born Jewish, I know what discrimination is. 

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15 minutes ago, TheOther1 said:

My point is that people get pissed off at those protesting. Do you really think they care what they are protesting at that point? 

"I just worked a 12 hour day but now I'm sat in traffic for 3 hours because there's a bunch of people stood in the middle of the road" at that point, doesn't matter what they are protesting about. I don't need to be brought attention that there is a racism, and black lives matter. "all lives matter" is a better saying, stop being specific, isn't that the problem in the first place. When a man is just a man and not a white man or a black man or a Muslim man. That's when the world becomes a better place. 

Do you agree that jumping onto planes and flying drones and all the other stupid things people do is a good way to protest for climate change too? 

Secondly though. What does it achieve? Apart from pissing people off. What actually comes from standing in a street saying black lives matter. Obviously they matter.. What's your point. Saying it out loud isn't going to do anything. 

Also. Racism is a two way thing. White people get it too, let's not kid ourselves.

I'm also born Jewish, I know what discrimination is. 

No. People only use all lives matter as a way to dismiss and act like black people aren't being discriminated against. All lives matter may seem like it's more inclusive but people at least in the USA don't use it that way. All lives matter is a trump supporter saying that literally doesn't get brought up until someone mentions blm. 

Saying all lives matter at a blm thing is like going to a breast cancer charity event and being mad nobody is talking about lung cancer, nobody is saying that doesn't matter but its not what we are talking about. 

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5 hours ago, Vikkin said:

You might be right, black people aren't the ones raiding the city, but I don't see them doing anything against that.
2016, Honk Kong protest, 1.5 million protester, 25k PO, no looting nor people hurt
2019, London protest, 1 million protester, zero looting,
2019, Prague protest, 300k protester, still no damage to property
2020, US riots, nation-wide,  at least one dead, hundreds injured, damage to public and private property is probably in the billions now

Please look at these tweets. And these are not the only ones with video evidence proof.

https://twitter.com/gryking/status/1267101707596632066?s=21

https://twitter.com/alecmacgillis/status/1266946808888078336?s=21

https://twitter.com/selena_adera/status/1266707305158017029?s=21

also Why do we (seem to) care more about things—buildings, businesses that can be replaced, and property—more than people’s lives? People care more about the loss of materials than life(which is one of the reasons we are protesting for )

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1 hour ago, TheOther1 said:

My point is that people get pissed off at those protesting. Do you really think they care what they are protesting at that point? 

"I just worked a 12 hour day but now I'm sat in traffic for 3 hours because there's a bunch of people stood in the middle of the road" at that point, doesn't matter what they are protesting about. I don't need to be brought attention that there is a racism, and black lives matter. "all lives matter" is a better saying, stop being specific, isn't that the problem in the first place. When a man is just a man and not a white man or a black man or a Muslim man. That's when the world becomes a better place. 

Do you agree that jumping onto planes and flying drones and all the other stupid things people do is a good way to protest for climate change too? 

Secondly though. What does it achieve? Apart from pissing people off. What actually comes from standing in a street saying black lives matter. Obviously they matter.. What's your point. Saying it out loud isn't going to do anything. 

Also. Racism is a two way thing. White people get it too, let's not kid ourselves.

I'm also born Jewish, I know what discrimination is. 

Please read these and tell me if u still share the same thoughts. I want you to realize that even tho u may not be consciously aware of racism or partake in it yourself. That doesn’t mean that it’s not happening. It’s “black lives matter “ because we make up about 13% of America’s population yet Of the people incarcerated we make up 50% and we are killed by police at a much higher percentage than white people. It’s black lives matter Bc our lives are the only ones in systematic and instituted danger. 

secondly it’s your own internal problem if u as a person say I’m getting irritated by all the protesting for black lives to be taken into consider and black people to be treated equally. What do u think that says about you? I’m not implying I’m just asking. In the same way that people do a marathon for breast cancer. What r u gonna say “that was my favorite road or bench to sit by but now they closed it for the marathon I’m so pissed off Bc of that” like seriously how does that sound

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15 hours ago, SaggersRhot said:

You are right. I'm white and it is mostly white people doing the most damage now. There are black people rioting too but when I turn on TV most of the people you see acting like idiot's behind the camera are white. There are certainly black people involed so it is not a 100% white person riot. What I think is that all Americans should be mad about the Police acting this way. The Police take a oath to " Protect and Serve" and they need to do the job they applied for with no preference for race, gender, sexual orientation, wealth and so on. The fact that Police actions caused a person to die is the only part that should matter. What color the Police are and what color the victim are should not play any part. I'm white and I always was taught to respect others and treat them as you want to be treated.

I personally have never treated anyone differently if they were white or black. Do I ever fight or argue with people? Yes, everyone will not agree on everything all the time and that is normal. If I'm arguing with someone it's for a reason but what color the person doesn't mean anything to me.

If you are black, can I ask your opinion? Forget about black and white, the Police were fired and charged with murder but what would the people rioting want to stop this violence? The fact is yes, a guy died and the killers were caught and charged. Now the Justice system will work. What can people do to stop the violence?

What I think is the people rioting are all trouble makers, it doesn't matter if they are white or black. If you are burning buildings and looting you are a criminal and should be treated as such.

Everyone no matter white or black has the right to peacefull protest! What you do NOT have the right to do is burn buildings, cars and run wild in the streets! They are all low life trouble makers and followers rioting. People are taking advantage of a bad situation to get away with this. ANYONE who burns, loots and fights is a criminal! Any they should be arrested and charged as such. If you are white or black and carry on like a criminal you should be treated as a criminal because there is NO ACCEPTABLE EXCUSE for rioting the way they are. All Americans have the right to PEACEFUL protest! This is certainly NOT peaceful protest! This must STOP!!!

What exactly are u asking for my opinion on? Bc I can’t tell.

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Well. 'all houses matter' sounds as stupid as all lives matter which is as stupid as black lives matter. It shouldn't need to be said in the first place. 

I'm consciously aware of racism, obviously it's around. Not sure how anyone can deny it really. Less so in England, but there are less black people (though not sure if that would increase or decrease it because they would be a smaller minority). 

And no. I don't get annoyed at people who are protesting who want black people to be treated equally. I get annoyed at people who protest, period..for any reason. I also get annoyed at pride events, don't get me started on them. And as I said in the other post. I'd love there to be no racism either. But what does standing around with signs on a main road do? The racists aren't going to become less racist all of a sudden. So it just seems to cause disruption and achieves nothing?

Apart from the bad bunch who turn protests into riots. So it causes a waste of public resources, disruption to the public and business. So yeah. I don't know what comes from protesting. 

Not sure what 50% of black people are incarcerated means though? I watch alot of jail/prison documentaries which are American and its obvious that there are gang problems everywhere and it's obvious that there's a large percentage of blacks in gangs. There's alot of twats. And of course there's alot of whites who are also twats. People are twats is the bottom line :)

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3 hours ago, This34guy said:

Please look at these tweets. And these are not the only ones with video evidence proof.

https://twitter.com/gryking/status/1267101707596632066?s=21

https://twitter.com/alecmacgillis/status/1266946808888078336?s=21

https://twitter.com/selena_adera/status/1266707305158017029?s=21

also Why do we (seem to) care more about things—buildings, businesses that can be replaced, and property—more than people’s lives? People care more about the loss of materials than life(which is one of the reasons we are protesting for )

We do not care more about property than human lives, but sorry to say that but he is dead, you cannot bring him back, the only think you can do it to prevent anything from happening ever again and for that you need the support of the majority, but when you are trying to fight the stigma that makes black people the target, it really does not help you that that half of the US is rioting and many of the major cities are under curfew because of the violence.
 

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1 hour ago, Vikkin said:

We do not care more about property than human lives, but sorry to say that but he is dead, you cannot bring him back, the only think you can do it to prevent anything from happening ever again and for that you need the support of the majority, but when you are trying to fight the stigma that makes black people the target, it really does not help you that that half of the US is rioting and many of the major cities are under curfew because of the violence.
 

Its far from half usa, I'd bet its well under a million people at all the riots combined. The media loves to act like the world is ending everytime anything bad happens 

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1 hour ago, Pokemon said:

Its far from half usa, I'd bet its well under a million people at all the riots combined. The media loves to act like the world is ending everytime anything bad happens 

Then I'm rephrasing: Half of the US is either rioting, victim of riots or their life is directly impacted by the riots

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1 hour ago, Vikkin said:

Then I'm rephrasing: Half of the US is either rioting, victim of riots or their life is directly impacted by the riots

No. You must not understand just how many people live in America if you really think 164 million people(half the us population) are effected by the riots. 

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Wow, as sad as it is, this video shows people stealing sneakers from a store, but check at 0:56 for an incredible sag and keep checking until the end. I think I need to move to the US if this is the amount of saggers you guys see everyday everywhere! It's crazy for someone who doesn't live there to see this!! Wow!

 

 

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On 6/1/2020 at 1:40 PM, TheOther1 said:

Well. 'all houses matter' sounds as stupid as all lives matter which is as stupid as black lives matter. It shouldn't need to be said in the first place. 

I'm consciously aware of racism, obviously it's around. Not sure how anyone can deny it really. Less so in England, but there are less black people (though not sure if that would increase or decrease it because they would be a smaller minority). 

And no. I don't get annoyed at people who are protesting who want black people to be treated equally. I get annoyed at people who protest, period..for any reason. I also get annoyed at pride events, don't get me started on them. And as I said in the other post. I'd love there to be no racism either. But what does standing around with signs on a main road do? The racists aren't going to become less racist all of a sudden. So it just seems to cause disruption and achieves nothing?

Apart from the bad bunch who turn protests into riots. So it causes a waste of public resources, disruption to the public and business. So yeah. I don't know what comes from protesting. 

Not sure what 50% of black people are incarcerated means though? I watch alot of jail/prison documentaries which are American and its obvious that there are gang problems everywhere and it's obvious that there's a large percentage of blacks in gangs. There's alot of twats. And of course there's alot of whites who are also twats. People are twats is the bottom line :)

Not sure how you came to the conclusion protests and standing around with signs and marching does nothing.   Media loves these events,  show up,  film and broadcast to the world.   Change does happen from protests.  You might want to look up the history of the Stonewall riots in the USA.   Gays were continually harassed by police and locked up for being gay.  Gays were not allowed in many establishments in the 50's and 60's because they were gay.   

Police would go into bars and raid and arrest just because of sexual orientation.   The Stonewall riots were a turning point.   Now gays have protections.   Sure there is still some hate ,  but pretty much gays are accepted.    The 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots   was recent and Pride is an annual celebration of that event.   

The civil rights movement as well as the women's movement in the USA consisted of many riots and protest marches.    Blacks and minorities now have many more rights than before the protests.   Women Same.  The Aids movement which was  also full of protests peaceful and other got governments to notice and take action.     

Writing a blog from your basement and posting on the internet,  rarely gets noticed.   Working with your elected representatives is a slow and tedious process,  that often gets mixed results.    Getting your cause in front of the media works, often starting a conversation and changes minds.

I dont agree with property damage as that in my opinion sometimes takes away from the legitimacy of the movement.

 

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18 hours ago, worldsagger1 said:

Wow, as sad as it is, this video shows people stealing sneakers from a store, but check at 0:56 for an incredible sag and keep checking until the end. I think I need to move to the US if this is the amount of saggers you guys see everyday everywhere! It's crazy for someone who doesn't live there to see this!! Wow!

 

 

We do have a lot here

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On 6/1/2020 at 7:11 PM, Vikkin said:

Then I'm rephrasing: Half of the US is either rioting, victim of riots or their life is directly impacted by the riots

No,   it is a very small minority that are protesting and rioting or affected.   99% here are just going about our lives as usual.    Media makes it look like all USA cities are imploding.    I live in NYC and BOS.    Not seeing it

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On 6/1/2020 at 11:22 AM, TheOther1 said:

My point is that people get pissed off at those protesting. Do you really think they care what they are protesting at that point? 

"I just worked a 12 hour day but now I'm sat in traffic for 3 hours because there's a bunch of people stood in the middle of the road" at that point, doesn't matter what they are protesting about. I don't need to be brought attention that there is a racism, and black lives matter. "all lives matter" is a better saying, stop being specific, isn't that the problem in the first place. When a man is just a man and not a white man or a black man or a Muslim man. That's when the world becomes a better place. 

Do you agree that jumping onto planes and flying drones and all the other stupid things people do is a good way to protest for climate change too? 

Secondly though. What does it achieve? Apart from pissing people off. What actually comes from standing in a street saying black lives matter. Obviously they matter.. What's your point. Saying it out loud isn't going to do anything. 

Also. Racism is a two way thing. White people get it too, let's not kid ourselves.

I'm also born Jewish, I know what discrimination is. 

You might want to look back at history.   Change has happened,   Blacks can now eat in restaurants with whites,   stay in hotels with whites,   share drinking fountains,  were freed from slavery and vote.   Women can vote and make the same pay a man makes for doing the same job.  Gays can walk down the street without being arrested.     None of these changes happened in a vacuum and without a serious uprising from those affected.    Sometimes it is inconvenient.  

    

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I think Naomi Osaka has done a terrific job raising awareness during the US Open.

She has worn a mask before each round depicting names of black people who have been racially abused or murdered in the most recent tragedies on the US streets.

She took a brave stance in her previous tournament boycotting an upcoming match (played on the same courts in NYC) political stunt or not. She has become a global ambassador for racial injustice.

Good on you girl! 

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